MESSAge board 1

December 2000 to December 2001

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39.00

paul.venables@budgens.co.uk

I am trying to verify a vase I purchased is Whitefriars, but cannot find any reference to it. I have not got any images of it either (as I don't have a digital camera).

The piece is gold coloured, I have seen the Tangerine, this is not as brightly coloured. It has a Whitefriars sticker on the base, but I am not sure whether this belongs to this piece. The vase itself stands between 6" & 7" with a neck diameter of around 3/4" (the glass is quite chunky), the base of this is rounded. The base is quite unusual as it looks almost like a garlic clove. The
base has no "dimple" but I am aware of some pieces not having this. Can anyone help? 

Paul

 
38.00

ellietaylor@btinternet.com

Hi. As a relatively new collector of Baxter textured pieces, I am curious to know if there are any published figures relating to the number of vases produced in each style and type. e.g. How rare is an Aubergine banjo in comparison to a tangerine bark vase!? I appreciate that some colours were only produced for a limited period, but wonder how many could be produced in that time? Can anyone shed any light? Many thanks, Ellie.   
37.00

Liam Walls (liam@gannow.freeserve.co.uk)

I am interested in obtaining copies of the Whitefriars catalogues, if anybody can help me, I will cover all costs. 

Thanks, Liam.

 

37.01

Peter Olive (peter@whitefriars.org)

I am also interested in getting copies of the catalogues from 1962 to 1980. I don't want to keep them, but want to scan them into digital format, so I can make them available for everyone on this web site. If you can help, let me know.

Thanks, Peter

 
36.00

Paul Birch (pbirch63@hotmail.com)

Hi everyone, found your site today and I am totally hooked many congrats- I was trying to research a piece but could find nothing similar here's a verbal description [sorry no digi camera] - dark blue square shouldered upright oblong decanter 4" wide 9 3/4 tall with mushroom shape stopper with 15 bulls-eyes in a grid [neater than 'mobile phone style'] ground pontil is off centre. Any ideas?  
35.00

Colin Knowles (ColinianS@aol.com)

I managed to pick up a piece of striped orange studio range at the weekend but this one has a slight variation to the two I already have. This one has a fine spiral thread of blue glass which seems to be encased between the orange and the clear crystal, It starts at the base and runs to the top of the vase, In the middle of the vase it has what looks like the eye of a peacocks feather. Have you or any one else come across other examples like this appearing in similar
pieces. 
Kind regards        Colin Knowles 

34.00

Barbara Bowen (barbara.bowen@ntlworld.com)

Could any one please tell me if Whitefriars made a small red glass shaft and globe type decanter
with "pointy" bits of glass on the globe part (it looks like a pine cone) and also if they made a smooth hooped vase in a burnt orange colour.

Thanks Barbara.

 
33.00

Ian Jackson (ianjaf@lineone.net)

I am at a loss as to what I have found. I was sold
it as Whitefriars but cannot find any info on it. I enclose a pic - can you help? I love the site and
find it a great help for up to date prices.
Thanks Ian
32.00

Chris Ford

Hello, I wonder if you could help me with the identification of a vase I have bought. It was sold as a Whitefriars vase, but I have not been able to trace any record of this design. The height of it is 6" and it is about 2.5" across the centre, the colour is I believe kingfisher. I am attaching a photo of it
Hoping you can help. 
Regards Chris Ford 

32.01

Anna Americano

Chris, I have the same vase in the same blue (kingfisher blue??) colour and also in a pale green. I
purchased the vases because I fell in love with the shape. I was also told by the seller of the blue
vase that it may be Whitefriars glass but he wasn't sure. I have been trying to find any information
or a manufacturer but so far I have had no luck.
Anna Americano
 
31.00

David Lancaster

This is a question about non Baxter Whitefriars, so purists switch off now! Could anyone tell me just how common the streaky range of tumbler vases (designed by Marriot Powell c1930; produced 1930 - 1939) really are? I have a large example and to date I haven't seen any others outside Museums/exhibitions. Any information (both books fail to go into too much depth) would
be helpful. thanks and apologies to Peter for discussing non GB glass!!
 
30.00

Andy Savidge (asavidge@mail.com)

Hi. I'd just like to say thanks again for your help, Peter, and to ask you and the other people here for some more help in maybe identifying this piece 
It's approximately 15cm (6") high, and the same across the rim, the ground pontil is about 6cm (2")wide.
It's quite a pinky colour, much pinker than aubergine appears to be, and blends to blue close to the bottom of the vase. It is cased on the thickest part of the 'petals', but it is not evident at the base as it has been ground higher than the casing.
We can't find this, or anything similar in the Whitefriars book, but it's very reminiscent of whitefriars, in it's weight, and colour and casing.
Hope someone can help... any ideas?
Andy

29.01

Graham Cooley

This vase was made in Sweden in 1969 for Jones and Co. a Birmingham Importer. An advert for this vase appeared in the Pottery Gazette and glass Trade Review in 1969. They were made in two sizes and in both square and circular cross sections. To date I have found four colours, tangerine, blue, grey and clear. They are all machined off at the top with no punty. Some have the JC original sticker.
Regards
Graham
 
29.00 Hi, I must congratulate you on your wonderful site. I have been buying and selling (and collecting!) Whitefriars for a number of years now. I visit your site every week and it is great for reference and I've told many friends about it too who say how great it is! 
I hope that you don't mind me sending a picture of a piece that I recently found. It is a piece that I haven't come across before and it is in Kingfisher blue (I have checked the colour against pieces I own and it looks identical). It is heavily textured and has the look, feel and weight of a 
Whitefriars piece. I'm still not 100% certain of this though. It measures 7" tall x 4.5" wide x 2.5" from front to back. 
I thought it might be of interest to you, its got me intrigued anyway! 
Keep up the great work,

Best regards  Andy 

28.00

Ms. Remi Spriggs (remi_spriggs@msn.com)

I am writing in reference to your web site. I'm a student at Bard Graduate Center in New York and am writing my thesis on James Hogan of Whitefriars.
I understand that your site focuses on Baxter, however, I was wondering if you own or know of anyone who has pieces by Hogan?
I appreciate any information that you might provide.
Many thanks, Remi
 
27.00

David M Issitt (pulpit@culprit.freeserve.co.uk)

Hi there,
I am looking for an authority on Whitefriars Glass and was wondering if anyone could help trace the age of a piece. The piece in question is a circular ash-tray of about 6/7 inches with a Parker Pen in the centre. I have seen some Parker Pen gift sets with presumably Whitefriars glass in the style of a paperweight with the pen fitting but not a round ash-try style. Can you help in any way as to age of this piece? I hope to hear from you in due course.
David

Check out www.homestead.com/jipas/atouchofglass.html and
http://www.homestead.com/jipas/Glass_Articles1.html 

 
26.00

Mike Cripps (mike.cripps@btinternet.com)

I would like to respectfully point out that most of the patterns before textured still-blown pieces were more delicate, had much more style and form and required far more skill in their manufacture.
I must admit your website has re-generated my interest and enjoyment in the products from this factory where I spent the first 10 years of my working life. I have photographed some of my collection. This is one of my favorite designs it doesn't date.

Note ruby orchid vase - always with thinner foot to ease turning colour (ruby was amber when gathered from the furnace, it was then cooled and re heated to make it turn red).
Boffo was an Italian glass maker who came from the Murano factory.

Could this be a Whitefriars vase? HEIGHT=145 mm. WIDTH=145 mm. THICKNESS= 50mm. I welcome any comments.

Regards Mike (Whitefriars Glassmaker)

25.00

M.R. Marcom (marcoms@txucom.net) 

As there is such a diversity of styles, shapes, colours, etc of Whitefriars glass and presumably
other companies making similar pieces, is there any definitive way to say one piece is
Whitefriars as opposed to another company?

Thanks,

Mike Marcom

 
24.00

Karl Osborne (karl.o@tinyworld.co.uk)

I recently bought a number of Baxter pieces
including 3 sun plaques,2 architectural slabs
and quite a large number of damaged pieces of the same colour and shape suggesting to
me they were perhaps previously owned by someone with a connection to the factory.
Also amongst them were 2 large door handles
(8.5in by 6in),flat slabs with 2 bolt holes
in the middle, one in an amber colour similar 
to a arc' slab in one of your prices realised lists, the one with impressed roundles like a mobile
phone vase and the other is in clear glass with what looks like large nailhead impressions in it.
Have you seen Baxter door handles like this before.
 
23.03

Kath Swinson (kath@swinsons.demon.co.uk)

With reference to the vase pictured by Colin Grinham. I have the identical vase, bought for me by my mum when the factory closed. I have never seen anything like it except for the waisted vase
sold on ebay and mum said it was a one-off in the sale. It is without doubt the most beautiful piece in my collection of over 40 mainly pre 1970's pieces I have been collecting since my grandad ( who
worked at the factory) gave me a ruby duck in about 1960. Thanks for a brilliant site. Kath
 

23.02

Alex Bishop

Colin,
The vase you describe was not an experimental piece but a production item from 1978, 1979 and early 1980. It is shown in the 1978 catalogue on page 33 pattern number 9882 of "The new STUDIO range". It appears in the 1980 catalogue on page 39 but with a different back drop.
I would agree that the vase is considered a rarity by the fact that only a short production run was made, but respectfully suggest that "experimental"
should not be used to describe what was clearly a production item. The seller of the last one on ebay was also under this false apprehension.
A great bit to have on your mantelpiece all the same !
Regards
Alex 
 

23.01

Peter Olive

It is indeed a one-off Studio vase. It is a combination of Ruby and Kingfisher random strapping highlighted with silver chloride. You can
see four other examples of this (in other shapes) on page 143 of the soft-back whitefriars book (plate 170).

I have only seen one vase like this come up on ebay, and usually with one offs it is at whim whether they sell high or low. The hourglass
shaped one
which came up, was last December, and it sold for 345 US Dollars (about 230 Pounds). That one was 7" high.

Regards

Peter Olive

 
23.00

Colin Grinham

I managed to buy this vase while working at Whitefriars in the 70's. It was one of two
experimental pieces that never went into production. It stands at 10 inches high. It's probably the nicest piece of Whitefriars glass that I have and would like to know if it has any value.
Great web site
Best regards
Colin Grinham
22.00

elainet@nbnet.nb.ca

Does anyone know how many Whitefriars crystal coronation goblets were produced in honor of
Elizabeth II's coronation in 1953?
 
21.00

Michelle (michp@ajcope.co.uk)

Hi, I love looking at your site and all the lovely coloured glassware. Unfortunately most is out of my price range so I am just ever hopeful of finding a bargain at some point in time.
Please could someone explain to me about the pontil??? Someone gave me a little green cased vase that looks very much like one I have seen on your site, it appears to have a ground out pontil but it also looks to have a 50p shape ground around that. Tis only a little vase but very nice anyway but it would be so cool if it was whitefriars.... 

Many Thanks...michelle

 
20.00

Peter Olive

Can anyone shed any light on this piece? I bought it a while ago, and thought it could be either Dartington or Whitefriars. It is 9" high and 4" square.

Thanks Peter

19.00

Colinian

Before I start I must say that this is the best org site that I have come across, Keep up the good work. This weekend I found a glass 8" high that was possibly made by Harry Powell as one of the reconstructed glasses that he made but I'm a bit unsure as the glass has a snapped pontil. Any information that you or any one else can give would be most appreciated.
Many thanks
Colin

19.01

Steve Thompson

Regarding the glass with the snapped pontil:
I have come across many of these, and it looks to me like a bohemian example, the Powell ones, which I have a few are a lot finer and clearer in quality and have a ground pontil!
Steve thompson
 
18.00

Darren Manley

I was lucky enough to pick up this vase (pics: top, side, bottom). I think it's Whitefriars but I'm really not sure and if it is, what is it called? It is pontiled but I didn't know they did square ones. The tall one is 10" and is 6½" square at the top. This other small one is 6" and 4" at it's widest point.

I hope you can help me, and I must say I really enjoy looking at your web page. 
Thank you very much. 
Regards Darren Manley. 

17.00

John Drinkwater

  Firstly let me say what a great find and addition to the WF collecting scene your site is. I've seen quite a bit of Whitefriars over the last 3 years since I first started my collection (obsession), but you've got pieces on here that are great to see.
  I would like your help with a piece of mine. The piece in question (see pic) looks to me like an example of  the colour Evening Star. Firstly it definitely contains the colours described in Jackson's book i.e. starting at the bottom pale blue, then pink, rising to clear. Polished pontil etc, It has got quite a thick flat, polished top edge about 9mm wide all round. It isn't pinched in at the bottom.
  As I picked it up at a local general fair some time ago, I thought it was about time I got a second / third opinion on this as I don't wish to carry it around to fairs, and in any case with the exception of Birmingham, people at more general fairs haven't got the knowledge anyway.
Many thanks,
John Drinkwater
16.00

Jon PURCELL

My wife and I have a set of Whitefriars crystal consisting of a jug and six glasses. I would say the colour is ruby judging from your colour chart. The jug is about 12 inches tall and
narrow with a clear handle. The glasses are quite plain. The bottom of the jug has a sticker with the number M107. My wife thinks her parents bought them in Australia 45-50 years ago. I would appreciate any inf. on them and if they were a common product or not.
 
15.00

Glen (Mrs) & Steve Thistlewood

 

I came to your website looking for information on Whitefriars Glass.
Would you know if the company ever made any iridised glass?
I research/write on Carnival Glass and I have a couple of pieces that remind me of Whitefriars (though I admit I know very little about White - which is why I am writing to you).
I hope you can answer me.
Best wishes
Glen
Please visit our web site at http://www.carnival-glass.net
 
14.00

Chris 'the Boot'

HI, 
I WONDERED IF YOU COULD HELP. I BOUGHT THIS VASE TODAY CONVINCED IT WAS WHITEFRIARS. I HAVE LOOKED THROUGH YOUR SITE BUT HAVE FOUND NOTHING THAT HELPS ME IDENTIFY IT. 
BEST WISHES CHRIS. 
 
13.00

Neil Coates

I am interested to see if anyone knows anything about this vase. It is 7¼" high and very heavy. I haven't seen any similar to this, have you?

13.01

Alex Bishop

The vase referred to is designed by BAXTER around 1956. It first appears in the 1957 catalogue on page 6. Pattern number 9431 (oval) available in B/C, G/C, and R/C. which is blue cased, green cased, and red cased. I have the red in my collection and have seen both the red and green versions. Stock item and not particularly rare.......although I must agree, it weighs a ton!!!!
Regards
Alex 
 

13.02

Neil Coates

Thanks Alex for your reply re: heavy red cased. interesting to hear that it is not that rare, in 5
years of looking/collecting I have never seen another, I can't wait to find one of the other two
colours.
Neil
 
12.00

Anthony Wigg

Hello,   there is a rare Whitefriars colour that may interest you and one which may allude most people, namely "Aurora".

If you look on page 342(MOL book) concerning the 1970 catalogue you will read (Aurora) as being one of 3 "new colours"..Aurora (tangerine streaked with brown)".

Jackson refers to the 1970 catalogue and 'Lichen' & 'Marine' adding 1974 as the only other production year to 1970. You may have noticed this already.

Jackson mentions Lichen and Marine as "streaky colourways" which is not saying the same thing as 'a colour' and on top of this she completely manages to overlook "Aurora". I can't find reference to it anywhere in her Biblical book...I smell a rat. Did Lesley ever see Aurora in the flesh one may ask? In consequence a question one may wish to consider concerning
Aurora, Lichen & Marine is; were/are they colours or colourways?

Before one answers this question, look over at page 343(streaky 1971) and you'll notice that instead of a single letter code to denote an available colour (as in 'a' for 'A'urora), a whole description is given. This description would, I imagine, be termed a "colourway" being a description of all the different colours used.

When I look at my own 9746 in Aurora, the description as "New Colour" would seem appropriate since the body colour is a darker version of Tangerine, a smooth kind of mexican honey colour AS THE BODY into which brown streaks
then flow. The whole piece is cased.

I acquired it in '97. It was sold as a piece of 'studio' glass not being an obvious Whitefriars colour at all(usual potil).

We are told in the larger book that Aurora, like lichen & Marine, were only made over two years, this means it is a rare colour especially as it seems to have been limited to this range. Be this as it may, however rare it may be, does it deserve to be written off and if not, could this be a plea to put Aurora back on the map with your help?
Warm regards
Tony Wigg
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11.00

Maggie Kirby 

Hi, I wonder if you could help me.  I have a very heavy bowl in ruby and clear glass. I was told it is Whitefriars but I looked on this web site ( Very impressive I must say I loved it) and I don't seem to see anything of this kind.  Can you help me identify it. I don't know much about glass but it is a superb bowl and I would love to know more about it. I've attached two photographs (one and two). I hope you can help  Many thanks Maggie.
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10.00

Claire Hobbs

(Contact details not published on this message board)

Dear Peter

Could you help us with a current valuation? We are using a 13" grey Drunken Bricklayer vase on the BBC quiz show 'Going For A Song' next Monday. On your amazing website I see there are recent prices paid for the more popular colours - what do you think we should put (as a shop value) on a grey one?
I hope you can help and look forward to hearing from you.
Yours
Claire Hobbs 
Producer 'Going For A Song

 

10.01

Peter Olive 

(Prices obscured on this message board for my reply - you'll just have to watch the show!)

Hello Claire,
I purchased one of these from a private collector just before Christmas,
in Pewter (the plain grey colour) for £***. The price could be up to
£??? for that particular colour in a shop.
There are two other colours which can be mistaken for Pewter, and these
are Indigo (dark smoky blue) and Willow (dark smoky grey-green). Both of these would attract only slightly lower prices today (£*** to £???) than the Pewter one. The most rare colour in this vase is Aubergine (Purple)
which would cost (if available) up to £!!!.
Best Regards
Peter Olive
Webmaster http://www.whitefriars.org

 

10.02

Tertia Werry

Dear Peter,
I'm writing on behalf of Claire Hobbs with regards to the drunken bricklayer vase we are featuring on the show.
One thing we could really like to know is who designed it and we wondered if you could let us know.
As we are filming the show today, we would really appreciate it if you could give us any information as soon as possible. The show will be filmed at 6.00pm - we can be contacted on the number below.
Many thanks for all your help with this.
Regards,
Tertia Werry
Researcher
Going For A Song
 

10.03

Peter Olive 

Hello Tertia / Claire,
I only read your email at 7pm, so I missed your deadline, Sorry.
The designed was Geoffrey Baxter, who died in 1995. He designed this piece in 1967, and there was also a smaller more common version which
was only 8 1/4" high.
Regards
Peter Olive
 

10.04

Claire Hobbs

Thank you so much for all your help Peter. We thought it was Baxter and in fact I think the contestant mentioned it too! If you are interested in seeing the show - it will be broadcast on BBC1 at 12.30pm on Wednesday 6th June.
Yours Claire
 
9.00

Peter Olive 

BANJO ALERT! - All those people interested in buying a Banjo should be aware that 2 Banjos go under the hammer at Christies, South Kensington on March 29th 2001 at 10:30 am. They are Willow (lot 9) and Indigo (lot 10). Christies accept bids by phone (24 hours in advance) on 020 7321 3225. The reference number for this sale is AND-9055 if you want to call them (Please note that I do not know who is the seller).  
9.01

Joseph Wang

 

Peter
Further to your alert, please note that the 2 banjos at Christies are not willow and indigo.
They are both indigo and not very well coloured at that. One has scratches and bubbling. Christies response when this was pointed out to them? -- "Oh well - people should check for themselves ". Now that's what you call  responsible Auctioneers !! 
Joe
 

9.02

Peter Olive

I checked on the prices achieved by these lots (they have an automated phone results system), I have included the full price paid by the buyer with buyers premium (and the hammer prices in brackets). Lot 8 which was 2 small tangerine bricks, a kingfisher cucumber and either indigo or pewter hooped vase was £376 (£320). Lot 9 which was apparently an Indigo Banjo mis-described as Willow was £823 (£700). Lot 10 which was an Indigo Banjo was £1116 (£950).  
8.00

Peter Gardiner

On my car radio I heard that there was an exhibition of Whitefriars glass at Henley-on-Thames? I didn't get the full message. Do you have any more details?  

8.01

Peter Olive

The exhibition is on until April 6 I believe. The exhibition has a web
site which is www.thecountryseat.com and also www.whitefriarsglass.com
 
7.00

Ian Price 

I have just acquired pattern number 9488 in a colour way I cannot find any info on.
 
The piece is what I think is dark green (as used in the 1957 Cat) but instead of being cased  with clear glass, is cased with Artic Blue. The colour combination is stunning.
The only reference I can find is that referring to Evening Sky and Aquamarine, but this piece has not the double colour before being cased in clear.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
 
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6.00

Glenn Lawson 

Finding Whitefriars in Los Angeles: -

My shop address is;

rm.107
2390 Glendale Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90039 (In the Silverlake area)
323-912-1940
hours; W-SUN 12-6 or by appointment.

The only other store in LA that might have Whitefriars is called "Retro
Gallery". (524 1/2 La Brea Ave, 323-936-5261) They have one of the
largest mid-century glass collections in the states. Good luck.

Glenn Lawson
rm.107

 
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5.00 

Lesley Pinder 

 

I have a pair of vases, see pic, they are 5 1/2 inches high with original paper stickers. Could you tell me roughly how old they are and what you would expect them to bring at auction. Your web site is still a great 'read'.
Many thanks
Lesley

4.00

Sherry from Canada 

 

Hello, Just by accident or luck I purchased a glass at a silent auction which is a Whitefriars Glass with Whitefriars #4 etched on the bottom. The glass has been etched for the Royal Visit to Canada and the USA dated l951. Can you tell me something about this glass and its origins. Thank you. Sherry from Canada  

3.00

Chris Watt 

 

I am sending you this in hope that you might be able to help me.
I have just been given a present from a relative. It is a set of Whitefriars glasses. I was hoping to find out a little more about them although I have some info already. The  6 glasses are still in the original box. The box has the Whitefriars logo on it. The glasses are described as 10oz whisky glasses. There is a number on the box which I think is the pattern no. its M31 and the word Flint which I guess is the colour, although you would never guess that to look at them. My relatives bought them in America, but have been back in England for years. My best guess would be that the glasses were bought in the mid to late seventies.
 I was hoping you might have more information about them, such as is the M31 a pattern no. and could I get more information about Whitefriars glasses from anywhere. I was also hoping you could shed light on the fact that apart from the decorative glass the Whitefriars produced they also produced practical items such as glasses.
 
I would be glad of any help you could offer.
Regards
 

3.01

Peter Olive 

 

Chris,

M31 is the pattern number. I have had a quick look in a book for them
and I cannot see this specific pattern, but I think they are probably
from around the 40s. Flint was the name for clear full lead crystal.

Vases were only a small part of the Whitefriars business, most items
were practical, including medical thermometers. After the war to get
currency the UK government enforced regulations which only allowed the decorative items for export.

Regards
Peter

 
2.00

David Lancaster 

 

I am a keen collector of Whitefriars, with the emphasis on earlier pieces. Do you know of any sites relating to earlier pieces? I have an extensive collection and would like to talk to other like minded collectors.
Thank-you, 
 

1.01

mike.cripps@btinternet.com

 

Whitefriars made both pint & half pint beer mugs, the type of handle referred to is a claw handle. The base or wide end looks like a star and it is ribbed. Mostly made in the sixties they would have been made by Wilkinson or Dyer.
Mike (ex glassmaker at the factory)
 
1.00

Justin Freeman 

 

What a fantastic web-site. Congratulations!

The reason I have visited ( for the first time ) was to try and establish if
there were Whitefriars tankards made. I recently bought a textured, clear glass, handled pint glass and it looks like Whitefriars but I'm not sure if they ever made such items. Do you have any idea? 

Many thanks
 

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